Before 'King in Black': A Quick Look Back At When The Symbiote Went Cosmic!

by Troy Jeffrey Allen

One of the things I love about superhero comics is connecting dots. And when I say "connecting the dots," I don't necessarily just mean clear, cut-and-dry continuity links. I love that stuff, too (of course!), but I also just love it when happy accidents occur. Creating associations years or decades apart that readers can build upon if they want. With all the press around Marvel's King in Black crossover event this week, I couldn't help but think about a previous mini-arc from Amazing Spider-Man #430 and #431, released over two decades ago. This two-issue throwdown by writer Tom DeFalco and artist Joe Bennett featured a sort of soft version of what King in Black seems to revel in: A cosmic threat, symbiotic chaos, and Marvel heroes way in over their heads. 

Amazing Spider-Man 430 takes place on the heels of Marvel's then line-wide Heroes Return push. A marketing campaign that was Marvel's way of saying to fans "our bad" after they rebooted their continuity with Heroes Reborn (since this is and not, I'll assume you know the story behind Heroes Reborn already). That's a somewhat important detail because the comic starts off with Spider-Man eager to retire from crime-fighting (yeah, again). His assumption is that now that New York's Avengers and Fantastic Four are back, Spider-Man can chill on swooping in to save the day. Simultaneously, in his own stoic way, the Silver Surfer is also excited to hear that his Earth buddies have returned to continuity. Meanwhile, Carnage has escaped the Ravencroft Institute. And if you hadn't guessed by looking at the cover, this puts all three characters on an inevitable collision course.   

Spider-Man and Carnage get into it first -- quipping and fighting through the streets. Issue 430 ends with Surfer swooping in for the assist as the symbiote recognizes him. Immediately, the typically dedicated Carnage symbiote hops bodies. Turning the chromium cosmic-powered Silver Surfer into...COSMIC CARNAGE! It's exactly at this point that Spider-Man and sixteen-year-old me both had a "holy $#!+" moment.


For readers of King in Black, the fact that the symbiote recognizes Surfer is pretty interesting. Especially since prior to this there'd been no connection between the two. A little over two decades after ASM 430, Marvel would tease their KiB event with a book called Silver Surfer: Black in 2019. In it, Surfer has a time-displaced scrap with Knull, God of the symbiotes, and the main opposition behind Donny Cates and Ryan Stegman's current crossover. Jump back to 1997 with Amazing Spider-Man #431, however, and it looks like Tom Defalco and Joe Bennett had predicted the conflict early...but also later. I'll explain...

In ASM #431, Silver Surfer explains that the symbiote recognized Surfer from when Surfer served as a herald of Galactus. The sentinel of the spaceways led Galactus to a symbiote infested planet. Galactus is a world-devourer. So...he devoured that world! But, because the symbiote is part of a collective that feeds on hosts, other symbiotes remember that planet-ending event. And they hadn't gotten over it. 

Look, I can't assume or claim that King in Black writer Donny Cates and artist Ryan Stegman read this two-parter from 1997 or that it served as the nugget of an idea that would become his 2020 Marvel event. But for longtime readers, this detail makes Knull -- and by extension -- his symbiotes disdain's for Surfer two-fold. In terms of the order, technically, Knull's cosmic throwdown with Surfer happened first in Silver Surfer: Black. Then, some light years later, Surfer, as the herald for Galactus, recognized a planet infested by symbiotes and gave Galactus the go-ahead. I say "technically" because there is some time-travel tomfoolery happening in Silver Surfer: Black that makes the timeline of this series of events murky. Regardless, it's these fun little details that make comic book collecting worthwhile. At least to me.

Bonus: Even if Donny Cates didn't see Amazing Spider-Man 430 and 431 as inspiration, someone did. Tom DeFalco. One year later, Defalco revisited his story (this time with artist Sergio Cariello) in the pages of What If... #108. There, he asks what if Cosmic Carnage had beat the Avengers? Which, from appearances, seems to foreshadow aspects of the King in Black even more. Things come down to Thor and Carnage in What If... Of course, this isn't an in continuity event. But it could become reality soon for the Marvel U. We'll just have to find out when King in Black concludes in March. And while you're along for the ride, be sure to connect the dots yourself with these KiB adjacent titles. At your comic shop now. 

(W) Peter David (A/CA) Greg Land
Knull, the KING IN BLACK, has set his sights on Earth - but as avid Marvelites already know, his hand has been at work at the edge of the Marvel Universe for years! IN THIS SERIES, witness one of Knull's earliest attempts at birthing life from the darkness of non-creation! From superstar creators PETER DAVID and GREG LAND comes a titanic tie-in tale to this year's winter epic KING IN BLACK!
40 PGS. /Rated T+
In Shops: Nov 18, 2020
SRP: $4.99
(W) Donny Cates (A/CA) Ryan Stegman
Paint the town red...blood red! Carnage, the psychotic offspring of Venom, has returned - and he plans to slaughter everyone who's ever worn a symbiote! Cletus Kasady has skirted the periphery of the Marvel Universe for months, but now he stands poised to make his grand return to New York - and he's more powerful than ever! To make matters worse, a new player is on the board, and it's not who you'd expect! Spider-Man and Venom must face down Carnage's madness, but things aren't looking good. Barely able to escape with their lives, the uneasy allies have no choice but to drag a slew of other heroes into Carnage's crosshairs. And the hard truth is that not everybody will make it out of this conflict in one piece...if they make it out at all! Collecting ABSOLUTE CARNAGE #1-5.
Rated T+
In Shops: Jan 08, 2020
SRP: $29.99
(W) Donny Cates (A) Iban Coello (A/CA) Ryan Stegman
Rising star Donny Cates and blockbuster artist Ryan Stegman transform the world of Venom! An ancient and primordial evil has surfaced beneath the streets of New York. With it, something equally disturbing has been awakened in Venom, that most wicked of web-slingers! The symbiote may still be a lethal protector of innocents in New York, but this never-before-seen threat may force Venom to relinquish everything it holds dear - including its human host, Eddie Brock! Eddie and the symbiote summon the strength to defend New York against the most powerful foe they've ever faced, but one more thing stands in their way: Miles Morales, the newest Spider-Man! And relations between Eddie and the symbiote become ever more strained when new questions about the creature and its otherworldly origins come to light! Collecting VENOM (2018) #1-12.
Rated T+
In Shops: Nov 06, 2019
SRP: $34.99
(W) David Michelinie, Tom DeFalco, More (A) Joe Bennett, More (A/CA) Mark Bagley
A whole host of hosts! Serial killer Cletus Kasady isn't the only one who's bonded with Venom's sadistic offspring, Carnage - and they're all here! First, Jonah's son John Jameson succumbs to the symbiote until Ben Reilly offers a more tempting  meal - becoming Spider-Carnage! But the Silver Surfer may prove the most appetizing host yet! Dr. Tanis Nieves takes a turn then joins the fight against Kasady when he transforms a whole town into Carnage, U.S.A.! Even the Avengers fall prey to symbiosis - but who will be the Superior Carnage? Karl Malus? The Wizard? Or Norman Osborn, whose perverse partnership transforms him into the Red Goblin! Collecting AMAZING SPIDER-MAN (1963) #361, #410 and #431, SPIDER-MAN (1990) #67, SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN (1976) #233, CARNAGE (2010) #3, CARNAGE USA #1-5, SUPERIOR CARNAGE #3-5 and ANNUAL #1 and AMAZING SPIDER-MAN (2015) #798-800.
Rated T+
In Shops: Sep 11, 2019
SRP: $39.99
(W) Donny Cates (A/CA) Ryan Stegman
After a campaign across the galaxy, Knull's death march arrives to Earth and, worse yet, he hasn't come alone! With an army of hundreds of thousands of symbiote dragons at his command, the King in Black is a force unlike any Earth's heroes have ever faced. EDDIE BROCK, A.K.A. VENOM has seen firsthand the chaos that even one of Knull's symbiotic monsters can wreak - will he survive an encounter with the God of the Abyss himself?
From Donny Cates, Ryan Stegman, JP Mayer, Frank Martin and VC's Clayton Cowles comes the definitive chapter in their two-year-long VENOM saga that changed everything you thought you knew about symbiotes!
Rated T+
In Shops: Dec 02, 2020
SRP: $5.99


Troy-Jeffrey Allen is the Content Marketing Manager for and Diamond's pop culture network of sites. His comics work includes BAMN, Fight of the Century, and the Harvey Award-nominated District Comics.

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